Dumbass Stalinist Meltdown
this, and Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs
has been all over it
to the Global Indymedia Network from SF Bay Area IMC
by San Francisco Bay Area IMC Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 4:58 AM
"It is with much sadness and urgency that we inform the greater indymedia community about the ongoing crisis within the San Francisco Bay Area IMC.
"Previously, we had attempted to resolve internal conflicts among group members by engaging in formal mediation, which ultimately resulted in an official split of the group into two and a list of specific actions upon which each side agreed. This letter is being sent out only after these agreements have not been respected by the new SF IMC collective that has split from us."
Summary of snippage: "a few of" the technically oriented members of San Francisco
Indymedia fell out with the other Indymidiots and demanded that the "collective" be split in two. Supposedly (1) things got worse after the split and (2) this is the fault of the horrible "splitters" because (3) everyone else wanted to remain one big
Quote: "[T]he aforementioned tech members insisted that they would split anyway, because they wanted to and because they could." You can almost hear the "neener, neener, neener!", can't you?
The letter goes on to accuses the "splitters" of, post-split, "making viscious [sic
] and false accusations about other members of the collective. This even went as far as accusing some members of being security risks and/or police informants." Next accusation: the "splitters" began acting, like, you know, Nazis, man, by "kicking...all other IMC members" and member groups off the linefeed.org server.
Soon a "neutral professional mediator" was called in and held a bunch of meetings. Because Indymedia was being hindered in its important work of saving the world and new blood was being driven away, Indymedia's moral majority eventually threw up their hands, let the split stand, and gave up the sf.indymedia.org domain to the "splitters," while keeping indybay.org and creating a new domain, sfbay.indymedia.org.
Since the agreement was finalized on Nov. 13, the "splitters," according to the letter, have reneged on the agreement "in multiple ways," chiefly censoring posts of news stories, refusing to put info about the split on their site, "engaging in tactics of doublespeak," taking money out of the joint bank account (I had no idea anti-capitalists condescended to use the running-dog capitalist-pig banks!), and various actions that "violate the indymedia Principles of Unity." If you care that much, click on the link — I can't be arsed to list them.
The letter concludes with a list of demands: mainly, that the "splitters" give them back the indybay.org domain and forfeit all access to/control over it, that the new sf.indymedia.org's status as an IMC be revoked, and that they get their money back both from the splitters and
for the costs of mediation. (There's that pesky capitalist aspect again...)
Of course, the signatures are preceded with, "In solidarity,".
And now for the fun part...THE COMMENTS!!!
And glad I am that I saved them, because, as I predicted would happen when I emailed this story to friends last night, The
Collective has deleted the most entertaining of them.
In fairness to the snipes I take at Indymidiot spelling and grammar, or lack thereof, I didn't clean up same in the comments. All I can say is that with that expensive Berserkeley ed00cayshun, you'd think our homegrown Che Guevaras could learn how to write properly. I blame the schools, myself.
by Tapir Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:09 AM
"Judean Peoples Front... We're the People s Front of Judea! The only thing we hate more than the Romans is the fucking Judean Peoples Front!"
by yakkity yak Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:10 AM
What the hell? Don't you people have the slightest idea how to run an organization. Collectivist structures are about the worst way to organize anything beyond the scale of half a dozen peole or so. I guess you are learning that lesson the hard way. You could just read a little history or maybe some "...for Dummies" books and save a lot of problems. But I know you won't pay attention to me.
Enjoy your fiasco.
Group Decision Making Lesson
by Tapir Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:15 AM
"...we had attempted to resolve internal conflicts among group members by engaging in formal mediation, "
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...
Yes, I see.
...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,...
...but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major--
It sounds all so very ... totalitarian
by Alexander S. Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:25 AM
This would be hilarious except that you people want to be trusted with power. One can only imagine what type of shenanigans you people would be pulling if you ever controlled the levers of governance. You'd be sending each other off the gulag.
[Alexander then provides this appropriate Amazon.com link.
by roger Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:34 AM
have you considered submitting this soap opera to the networks? or maybe a mastercard commercial?
by the way
by roger Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:36 AM
both lgf and instapundit linked to this so you can expect LOTS of people to stop by and make fun of you
Grand Wizard of Information
by Joey Shibadoo Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:36 AM
I ask all members of the indymedia network to help hold these individuals accountable for their actions.
How can you anarchist have anarchy and hold anyone responsible for anything? I think you've all just learned an important lesson that most people learn by the time they turn 9.
Good luck, idiots. Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.
by Drone 4 of 11 Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:53 AM
Heh. "Resistance is futile! Your politics will be assimilated! Or we'll throw a snit! We'll hold our breaths until we turn blue!"
Jeez, you humorless lefties take yourselves way too seriously.
"Animal House" meets "Animal Farm"
by Snowball Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:53 AM
All Indimidiots are equal.
Indimidiots who understand technology are more equal than others.
Guess collectivism doesn't work with more than one viewpoint.
by Rayonic Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 11:54 AM
Hey, no wonder socialism hasn't worked so far. Perhaps if we were the Borg, eh?
The Left will eat itself
by Shadow Merchant Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 12:02 PM
Oh no, the splittist running dog lackeys are wreaking havoc again! Every time we get a nice little revolution going, dammit, it happens again. It's just not fair! <stamps foot>
Indymediot soap opera
by veebee Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 12:31 PM
Hey, I'll watch it!
Resist the Fascist Meatball
by Sid Viscious Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 12:40 PM
I mostly stopped by for some cheap laughs, but I thought I'd at least point out to The Collective that I suspect y'all mean "vicious" rather than "viscious". Viscious means thick, sticky, not flowing well, etc. Making that change will probably remove at least 0.001% of the unintentional humor ...
by Banagor Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 12:50 PM
Can't you all just get along?
You know what The Collective does when members start to malfunction.
I will have to introduce you to Natasha, our interrogator:
"Pig. Capitalist Pig. You will be finding yourself in gulag. You are not thinking party-like thoughts. You are enemy of State — of Collective State of People's Republic of Revolution. Perhaps you are Capitalist spy from Americans. We will dealing with you soon. Collective Socialists do not fight unless introduction of American Blue Jeans and Rock and Roll is introduced into Socialist Collective Society. We will be wanting names of your Capitalist contacts in America. You will talk. We have ways of making you talk.
This Sunny you speaking of, she must be infiltrator Capitalist spy to undermine Revolutionary party. This is not acceptable. Re-training is essential to Party Collective. I will reporting this to the Collective Politbureau and you will see soon new home in gulag."
by Anonymouse Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 1:37 PM
The ones that know all the Star Trek
characters were the splitters.
by Anonymouse Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 1:40 PM
Uh, I think half a dozen or so people sums this group up about right...
A Solution for All
by Banagor Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 2:01 PM
I have posted the following solution on the other site as well. I mirror it here in the spirit of coexistence between both parties:
I have a solution.
We first must adopt a resolution on both sides which confers the powers of mediation upon another party which will be binding towards that final mediated decision.
Next, we must internationalize the conflict. I suggest that the U.N. and the European Union be called out to mediate for both sides.
Both sides have legitimate grievances which we all must take into account and understand. Baymedia is struggling for independence while Indymedia is struggling for a homeland after decades of hiding behind Fascist agendas which sought their destruction. Both have the capability for coexistence and both sides should be heard on an equal level. We must deplore all acts of violence or invectives from either side on an equal level.
Next, we must formulate a plan which divides the assets of both parties into pre-1999 borders. These epithets in the forms of letters are mere walls of papers, and we must tear down these walls which keep one side from interacting with the other. The indiginous populations must be allowed to survive and flourish on their own terms.
I believe Sunny to be a paid informant by the Capitalist puppetmasters who are trying to divide each side. Obviously this is the case as both peoples existed in a Utopian system before her arrival and it was only after her arrival that trouble started brewing. This sort of "ethnic cleansing" and "censorship of ideas" which happened was not the result of the leaders of Indymedia or Baymedia which told their own followers to get out, but the machinations of Imperialist warmongers who want to control the entire Technological and Idealogical territories which they deem granted to them by the holy printed word of Karl Marx. Both sides have equal claim to these areas and neither should be ignored.
Before we all start throwing stones and shooting off slurs, I suggest that we sit down and talk it through with the mediators. I suggest we draw in Hans Blix to verify that no DNS or IP addresses have been hidden, or texts censored or wiped out without verification. After this matter is resolved and either side makes amends, we may pursue other gestures of friendship and trust. It is a long road to peace, but it is worth the effort.
So please, put down your keyboards and sit down to talk like mature adults. Perhaps a one-site solution is not acceptable to either side, so there is room for a two-site solution here, as long as either side can accept return of followers from one site to another.
Then we will have mutually agreed peace.
by JK Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 2:37 PM
Somebody help me out here... are we the Peoples' Front for the Liberation of Judea, or the Judean Peoples' Liberation Front — I've forgotten.
Whicever we are, the other guys are bastards!
by Bennett Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 2:55 PM
Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help! I'm being oppressed!
96 of 69
by 69 of 96 Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 3:31 PM
345-345-9876 451 firstname.lastname@example.org
<delete Photoshop of The Borg with text, "Who runs Indymedia? Why do you ask?" because I'm still a l@mer without image hosting>
You ungratefull bastards.
Have you not sampled the nectar of chomsky?
The genius of master Zinn?
Have you not tasted the completed turds of Marx?
How do you expect to build your dystopia with silly questions and subversive articles like this?
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE COLLECTIVE!?
WE KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR YOU AND THE ENTIRE PLANET!!!
REPORT EMMIDIATELY TO THE RE-EDUCATION CAMPS!
by Natasha Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 3:43 PM
I'll see to it that this proposal will be passed unanimously.
by Natasha Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 3:46 PM
What's wrong with Communists? Comrades, unite to prevent the resurgence of McCarthyism!
AH HA HA HA HA!
by Amos Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 4:18 PM
Oh this is too delightful.
The old-style communists had this problem until Lenin consolidated power around the Bolshevik core, ending the endless debating and petty backbiting in the only way commies know how, with purges and executions. Then it was clean sailing on to complete totalitarianism, the terror and the gulags.
You filth make me sick, but thank God you haver been utterly and humiliatingly destroyed, to the point where you're reduced to arguing over the leftovers of some dipshit leftist website.
You're finished. Like the Big Lebowski says, "The revolution's over, the bums lost."
by George Leroy Tirebiter Saturday, Jan. 10, 2004 at 4:25 PM
You shall report for re-grooving immediately to the corner of Euclid and Non-Euclid Avenues!
The comments on the mirror site
are mostly petty bickering over who said what and who did what to whom; IMHFO, the catfights are more entertaining over on LJ
. But last night I saw a few gems there as well.....
I read with glee
by I read with glee Saturday January 10, 2004 at 10:19 AM
I read with glee... Indy is so fucked up... it is indicative of the management of the resources and the personalities involved.
We, on the Right, observe with snickers and hilarity!
KEEP IT UP GUYS.... YOU ARE CERTAINLY PROVING YOUR WORTH! YOU ARE ACTING LIEK RAGING POLITICAL CAPITALISTS !
by notwo Saturday January 10, 2004 at 10:42 AM
vell it iz all overs de news, dat there are 3 agents in ourz midsts.
very soon they vell be coming to take-us-away haha, to the funny-farm, with laughing and hissing with glee.
Let me get this straight
by I'm confused Saturday January 10, 2004 at 12:59 PM
you guys are fighting for "ownership" of the "property" of the "collective?"
Plenty more schadenfreude
on the above-linked LGF posts.
A friend wrote me to defend Nazimedia:
At least they're settling their differences without violence.
That's what politics is all about.
Unless it's politics against your actual enemies
— that is, anyone who disagrees with you, especially if they're
Zionists — which the L3
("Loony Liberal Left," if you don't read LGF very much) seems to have absolutely no problem with whatsoever
I wonder if you'd describe a GOP factional fight the same way?
No, because it's a lot funnier when a factional fight happens to a collective that supposedly amassed itself via the physical forces of peace and love.
Or the factional fight that resulted in the Brown Shirts being thrown out of both the Nazi Party and this plane of existence?
I declined to dignify the placing of this question immediately after the previous one by answering it.
Meanwhile, "Stu" drops a steaming pile of insight at Randal Robinson's blog
: "Wow, what a briliant observation. Groups of people sometime [sic
] do not get along. We better notify the Nobel folks, I smell an award comming [sic
] your way!"
Yes, groups of people sometimes
do not get along. Which is why collectivism is a shit way to organize more than about four or five of them.